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Please help me with Good Faith Estimate, especially block A

by friend_419_875 from Chino Hills, California. Aug 5th 2012 Reply


NOT SURE WHY THIS NEVER GETS POSTED....HERE IS THE INFORMATION:current loan balance is 390,794, but my new loan has 396,000 (taxes & insurance added to this, which I will ask to be taken off). Anyhow, new loan is 30 years fixed 3.875% (quoted on 8/2). Block 1 our origination charge is 5950 (too high I think???). Block 2 you receive credit of 7920, so the total for block A (adjusted origination charges is -1970). Block 3: appraisal 400, credit report 50 (I understandd this can go up 10%). Block 4 title services 1245. Block 5 and 6 are empty. Block 7 government recording 100 (understand it can go up 10%). My intial deposit for escrow Block 9 is 4813.40 and Block 10 daily interest charge is 213.13 (I think he added those to my loan). Well, I think I'm getting ripped off with the origination charges. The broker gave me his own "fees sheet" and he shows a compensation rebate of 0.75%, which is 2970, but then the fees worksheet has 1000 lender fee. So, I think that the broker is not only getting paid by the lender, but is also getting paid another 1000 from my credit (based on the fees worksheet). I think the origination charge is way too much! I told the broker that I did not want to increase my original loan amout and it went up almost $6000. I think he did this, so it could look like I wasn't paying anything out of pocket. So, I want to know, what should I do now? I don't think I should sign the good faithe estimate, because I do not want my new loan amount to be 396000 and I also do not know what to say about the origination charge of 5950. Please help me. What should I say to broker next????????

Aug 5th 2012
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William J Acres (William_Acres)
#74 ranked lender in Arizona - 8,728 contributions

This quote is not only a good quote, but it's probably lower than you would ever get from any local bank.. Although others here might suggest they can "beat" that deal, and I'm sure they can, it would only be because you have told them everything about your original deal. This loan is not a rip-off.. The $5950 in block one includes his compensation, the brokers processing fee, the lenders underwriting fee, and any other fees the government says must go in this block.. he is offsetting Block 1 with a CREDIT of nearly $2000 more than your being charged.. so your NET fee to the broker is $-2000 CREDIT... all the other charges are 3 party and mandatory impounds, which he has no control over.. if you don't want your loan to go up, tell him your coming in with $6K, but as far as the deal goes.. it's VERY fair..I'm a Broker here in Scottsdale AZ and I only lend in Arizona. If you or someone you know is looking for financing options, feel free to contact me or pass along my information. 480-287-5714 WilliamAcres.com

Aug 5th 2012
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Bert Carpenter (BertCarpenter)
#37 ranked lender in Arizona - 2,431 contributions

So let me see if I get this right. You are being charged an origination fee of 1.5%, but you end up with a net credit of 0.5% meaning your net charge for the origination of this loan is $2,000 paid to you, you are doing a $400,000 HARP loan and you are getting a rate of 3.875% and you think you are being charged too much. Really? 3.875 is a smoking rate, even today. Your broker can only be paid by you or by the lender, but not both. It is likely the "Lender Fee" you see is the fees charged by the investor you are being locked with, and goes to the investor and not your broker. As for not wanting to roll your impounds into the new loan. Tell him. It's an easy adjustment to lower your loan amount and have you bring the difference to escrow. Also, as long as you are bringing money to the table, ask how much it would cost you to drop the rate to 3.75% and not get the credit. You'll probably be shocked at the extra cost for that small drop in the rate. Your broker most likely picked the rate because part of our job is to balance the rate and the cost to provide the best blend for our borrowers. Finally, it amazes me how many people think their broker is making too much money on a transaction. We don't. Compensation for our industry is down significantly from just a few years ago. No matter how you slice it, this is a great deal. You shouldn't pass it up. ~ Bert Carpenter, The LoansA2z team of NOVA Home Loans ~ NMLS 40586 ~ www.LoansA2z.com ~ 888-889-9950

Aug 5th 2012
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William from Arizona...thanks you always have good advice! To Paul: yes, I'm willing to bring the 6000 to closing, to avoid paying interest on that for 30 years. Also for Paul, are you saying that if I sign the good faith estimate as is for 396000 that I don't need to borrow that amount at closing? What I would like is for my loan balance to be less 390,744 and for them to charge me 1.5% of that, and then maybe that would give me more for credit under the "adjusted origination charges."

Aug 5th 2012
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Jesse Olson (jesseolson)
#657 ranked lender in California - 37 contributions

Hello, the reason why you see a charge & and a lender credit is because by law lenders have to list every fee even though you might receive a lender credit to offset those fee's. Rates are at all-time low's and if you are planning on staying in the home for a long period of time, then you may want to spend 3-5 minutes to see what we can qualify you for. We are ranked #4 lender in CA, we usually have the lowest rates in the nation, and we will provide exceptional service. Depending on your exact situation, we have given out rates around the 3.375% & 3.50% and even lower if you are wanting to buy down the rate. Please feel free to contact me at jolson@afnmortgagelenders.com or 949.491.8607, thank you.

Aug 5th 2012
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Michelle Curtis Loan Originator NMLS 401173 (MichelleCurtisLO)
#77 ranked lender in Florida - 2,245 contributions

You are getting a good deal. How can your origination charge be too high when you are actually getting a credit and it is a negative number for your origination charge. The broker is not making extra money from you. You can thank the government for making things confusing for the borrower.

Aug 5th 2012
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UPDATE: now it's 3.875% with only .34% rebate. The good faith estimate he sent had .75% rebate, but some sort of mistake was made in reading the rate lock agreement and rebate. I don't know if this has anything to do with me telling broker to adjust loan amount. He put the loan for 396000 but I want to pay the escrow account, so my new loan should be closer to 391000 (owe 390794 on current mortgage). So, I don't know if he adjusted the rebate so that he could still make his 4950 on the origination???? I feel like ditching this deal....I told him from beginning that I did NOT want any more $$ added to my loan balance. First, he told me 4950 rebate, then the last days of July he said the rebate was higher....now the rate was locked 8/2 and the rebate was .75%....and now it's only .34%?????????????? I don't understand, and don't want to, but don't tell client they are getting almost 5000 in rebates and then it's not true....

Aug 6th 2012
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